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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 01:28pm on 2005-02-05

*grumble*

I finally heard the clue-phone ringing and looked at the label of the 3-liter bottle of root beer I've been drinking from this week. They've added caffeine to this brand where there wasn't any before! (It's something I check before buying an unfamiliar brand. This brand used to be safe.) Dammit!

Now I'm wondering how much of my body's working so poorly this week -- the headaches, the wooziness, the low-grade but long-lasting nausea, the too-drowsy-to-drive, the poor sleep, the shaking hands -- are from unexpected caffeine instead of the fibromyalgia and would-have-happened-anyhow migraine. That is, sometimes I have weeks this bad "just because", but I wonder how much of this week coud've been avoided. Dammit!

(It does finally explain that mysterious "caffeine hangover" feeling I reported recently anyhow.)

Caffeine is a useful tool, and it's good to keep some (and/or theophylline) in the house. Mostly for treating migraines. But I've got problems with the stuff in general. It makes me drowsy without actually making it any easier to sleep (yes, drowsy, and yes, I realize most of my friends use it to wake up). If I'm not already suffering the kind of headache it helps with, it can induce a pretty nasty headache itself. It upsets my stomach. It's nasty stuff for me to get by surprise. Y'all remind me to check all the other brands of root beer that I sometimes buy, the next few times I go shopping, just in case any other brands have suddenly decided to add drugs to the drink (or other store-brands are sourced from the same manufacturer), okay? *grrrr*

(Canadian OTC codeine comes with an analgesic -- either aspirin or acetaminophen -- and a bit of caffeine. This makes sense as a headache remedy, and I've read that it's also partly to deter recreational use (by making an uncomfortable caffeine overdose happen before recreational (or worse, overdose) levels of codeine are consumed), but it's a disadvantage for me when taking it for fibromyalgia related muscle pain, and one of the things I have to ask myself when the muscle pain is bad enough to reach for pills is, "Is it bad enough to put up with the caffeine hit?" But since I can legally obtain it w/o being able to afford health insurance, unlike oxycodone and hydrocodone (each of which works better for me anyhow), it's what I've got. If not taken with cheese, it causes pretty intense stomach discomfort (I'm extremely grateful to the friend who clued me in about the cheese helping a few years ago); I've never known whether the stomach discomfortt was from the codeine, the caffeine, or both.)

(Hmm. Come to think of it, this might also expain whu I've been even more reluctant than usual to take codeine this week for pain. Maybe my body knew something I wasn't consciously aware of.)

There are situations where I can handle reasonable quantities of caffeine. For some reason I can (usually) handle cola with pizza -- proper pizza-parlour pizza, not frozen, not even the brands of frozen pizza I like -- though even then, if I have a choice, I'll avoid it unless I'm using it as a tool against an existing headache. And sometimes when no non-diet, non-caffeinated beverage is available, I'll assess the current state of my body and decide, "I can probably get away with it today (and I'm occasionally wrong). But in general, it's good for me to avoid that particular alkaloid and it's kissing-cousin theophylline (which is found in tea).

Note that most root beer is not spiked with a stimulant. But there are a few brands ... And now at least one more, it seems.

When I was younger, caffeine had no discernable effect on me. In high school I cheerfully chugged huge quantites of caffeinated beverages (including triple-strength instant iced-tea (look, my taste buds eventually grew up...)) without really paying any attention to the presence or absence of caffeine in whatever I drank. Back then it didn't make me drowsy or give me headaches. It also didn't do a bloody thing to wake me up or keep me awake, nor make me jumpy. It was as though my body mostly just ignored caffeine. (Though I did occasionally, after long stretches of high caffeine intake, notice withdrawal symptoms for a few days when I stopped -- so my body wasn't completely ignoring it; I just didn't feel any of the effects that other people felt from it.) A few years later, something changed and I started noticing that it made me drowsy, and I started avoiding it. Nowadays, with the fibromyalgia, "feeling okay" is a pretty precarious state and I really don't want unexpected drugs tipping me off of whatever physiological balancing point I manage to achieve.

The way I felt when I woke up this mroning, I was dreading the entire day up to the point where we start playing tonight (the Homespun Ceilidh Band at the Pirate Feast in Adelphi, MD). Playing won't be so bad, though I'd much rather play feeling well and alert, but dragging my butt through getting ready and loading the car and setting up equipment, and worrying whether I fell alert enough to driv are going to pretty much suck. I also woke still feeling frustrated about not having made it down to visit [livejournal.com profile] anniemal during the week as both she and I had wanted -- all week I've felt too messed up to manage to get there; I made it out of the house once during the week, and was feeling kind of marginal about driving even then. If all of this was because I was insufficiently paranoid about beverage recipe changes ...

*grumble*

Yeah, I know the manufacturer doesn't have a contract with me that says additions to or deletions from the recipe will be marked in large print on the front of the label ("New Formula!! Now Drugged!!"), but it was still a surprise. I wouldn't be so annoyed if I'd simply forgotten to check the ingredients on a brand I'd never tried before, or if it were a beverage such as cola, where caffeine can be assumed unless its removal is explicitly noted.

Of course, I know I'm unusual for thinking of caffeine as a drug, which seems like a terribly odd situation, since so many of the people I know who choose caffeinated drinks seem to be very deliberately using it As A Drug while somehow maintaining that cognitive disconnect. ("I need a cup of coffee to wake me up." "I'm feeling tired so let me grab a Coke." "Gosh, what's the point of coffee if it's decaf?" -- none of these are unusual statements for me to hear.) It's one thing for someone who doesn't particularly notice the effects to not pay attention to it's drug-nature, but folks who use it deliberately as a chemical tool? (Frequently an appropriately applied tool -- 'drug" != "bad" -- but still, an "ingest this chemical for this effect" usage.) And I'm pretty sure most manufacturers who add caffeine where it doesn't naturally occur are not doing so for flavour (are they?).

So I guess most people wouldn't think of that "minor recipe change" as being such a big deal. For me, it matters.

Anyone got any ideas (other than not drinking any more root beer today) for speeding up my recovery from accidentally drugging myself?

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posted by [identity profile] peaceofpie.livejournal.com at 06:31pm on 2005-02-05
I have issues tolerating caffeine, too. In fact, I'm so sensitive to it that if I kiss someone who's had caffeinated soda or coffee, I'll get high from it. It's bizarre.
 
posted by [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com at 06:40pm on 2005-02-05
Drink A LOT of water. An awful lot. A liter or two at a minimum. I often find B-complexes to be helpful, too.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 2005-02-05
No B-vitamin tablets handy, but I'll drink a lot of water and Google for foods containing various B-type stuff. Thanks for the tip.
 
posted by [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com at 07:01pm on 2005-02-05
I should note -- overhydration is my method of dealing with overingestion of anything, and I find B-complexes specifically helpful for a hangover. Since alcohol and caffeine are both dehydrating, and since you described the effect as a "caffeine hangover," I figured I'd mention it.
 
posted by [identity profile] lonebear.livejournal.com at 06:47pm on 2005-02-05
hah. i'm a caffiene addict and admit it. the people at work know not to try to get anything out of me before i've had my first fix of the day.

i call it a drug, and abuse it as such.
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 06:56pm on 2005-02-05
It's a drug. The manufacturer may mutter excuses about "flavor", but only because they know it's not socially acceptable to sell it as a drug.

I use it as a drug. This means I want to know about how much I'm getting, which in turn means I don't want it slipped into things I don't expect to have it. Nor do I want to be served decaf tea without being told it's decaf: same principle.

Considering how many companies will trumpet "New packaging!" on an unchanged product, I don't understand why the root beer maker didn't take the opportunity to put "New and improved!" on this if they think that adding caffeine is an improvement.
 
posted by [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com at 07:29pm on 2005-02-05
Hydrate a lot, which I believe someone has already suggested.

(Why yes, I use caffeine, or more often theophylline, as drug-of-choice, although I suspect my morning cup is far more useful for its psychological addiction aspects than as a stimulant.)
 
posted by [identity profile] lilkender.livejournal.com at 07:38pm on 2005-02-05
Maybe the pizza-parlor pizza has more cheese than the frozen pizzas? You said cheese helps.

If I were you I might write a letter to the root beer manufacturer and tell them how disappointed you are with the new surprise additive.
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 02:39am on 2005-02-06
Many frozen pizzas are very low on cheese, but may have a lot of stuff that looks and tastes sort of like cheese.
 
posted by [identity profile] griffen.livejournal.com at 07:44pm on 2005-02-05
Drink lots of water to help flush your system. :(
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posted by [identity profile] hobbitblue.livejournal.com at 08:27pm on 2005-02-05
*hugs* that really sucks - I've got a ton of weird food allergies and the worse ones are always when something that previously has been fine suddenly changes or adds an ingredient and there's me getting wierd symptoms from soemthing I've presumed is safe.

Drink plenty of water, and get some fresh air/exercise to speed up your body both metabolising the stuff into something less harmful and to flush it through your system.
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posted by [identity profile] hobbitblue.livejournal.com at 08:30pm on 2005-02-05
I'd second the suggestion about writing to the company, "valued customer blah blah, used your brand for years blah blah"; adding caffeine is quite a jump in contents for sure!
 
posted by [identity profile] doubleplus.livejournal.com at 10:07pm on 2005-02-05
I keep a tin of Penguin Mints on my desk, and a pack of Jolt gum in the car for emergencies, so I don't think I'm in denial about anything. :-)

Growing up and through early adulthood, I didn't think caffeine affected me much, until I switched to diet cola. After that, I figured out that the sugar had been wearing off about when the caffeine kicked in, and they canceled each other out. (If I'd liked coffee or unsweetened tea before then, I might have found out sooner.)

I vaguely remember hearing when I was growing up that it was illegal then for root beer to have caffeine (no Barq's in those days), but that may just be an urban legend.
 
posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 10:13pm on 2005-02-05
cafeine in root beer? why in the WORLD would anyone do that?

Since I am a vegan, I constantly check ingredients on things, but also get upset when places change recipies and do not bother, oh, actually pointing that fact out. What if they have customers who are severely alergic to whatever was added?

At one place I used to order focacia for lunch. One day, completely unbenownst until I started eating, they had added pepperoni into it. Meat in focacia bread?

I found a new place to eat lunch.
 
posted by [identity profile] chesuli.livejournal.com at 10:28pm on 2005-02-05
Which brand of root beer added the caffeine?

I am sick of finding that presumed-safe foods suddenly have had something changed in their formula, without a packaging change to make me CHECK, and now cause problems for me or one of the others here.

As has been said, lots of water. Hope you feel better soon!
 
posted by [identity profile] gkrikket.livejournal.com at 10:37pm on 2005-02-05
Please let us know the brand of Root Beer! (Since coming off my 2 liter of soda per day, I'm trying to keep an eye out for it as well...)
 
posted by [identity profile] madbodger.livejournal.com at 02:58am on 2005-02-07
I'd like to know too, I avoid caffeine for medical reasons.
 
posted by [identity profile] texas-tiger.livejournal.com at 11:22pm on 2005-02-05
There was a really interesting article in National Geographic recently about caffiene. I learned a lot from it. It sounds like something you would appreciate as well.

I do hope you feel better soon.
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 12:58am on 2005-02-06
Which brand? The only brand that I kew of prior to this that included caffeine was "Barq's" (made by coca-cola).

I like root beer, as a general rule.

I have a problem with caffeine, as a general rule.

Shit, shit, shit, shit.
 
posted by [identity profile] wouldyoueva.livejournal.com at 02:53am on 2005-02-06
Five years ago tomorrow I was hospitalized for severe dehydration, due to an infection in my throat (which had spread to my lungs). I vowed at that point to appreciate every glass of water I could swallow without pain.

A few years ago I decided that given my weight and bad teeth, I wasn't getting anything out of soft drinks other than sugar, which I didn't need and could find better sources for. And now it tastes weird to me.

It annoys me that bottled water costs the same amount as bottled sugared fizzy (and sometimes caffeinated) water but I accept that as the price of getting something cold and wet.

I've made root beer from scratch, with stuff bought at beer-brewing shops, and it doesn't need caffeine added. It used to be the rule of thumb that clear stuff doesn't have caffeine, but dark stuff did. (Some orange soft drinks have caffeine--like Sunkist--and some don't, and you'd think they'd note that.) Maybe assuming anything with color in it also has caffeine is the way to go.

Good luck in getting it out of your system. Makes me happy I gave it up.
 
posted by [identity profile] still-asking.livejournal.com at 03:31am on 2005-02-06
What a nasty trick. Could have been even worse if the stuff had affected your heart. But still, ick.

Comment to the lots of lots of water comments - it's the thru-put that counts - so if you can force a sweat that will help the detox along. (But don't mess with it if your house is too cold, you don't want to take a chill on top of everything and the water will all get processed one way or another.)

I still love my caffeine but I've been forced to cut back (probably good for me, grumble, grumble) for the unexpected and bizarre reason that a med I'm on (Topamax, a migraine preventive amongst other things) has the unexpected and bizarre side effect of making all carbonated beverages taste HORRIBLE.

Which last paragraph I bring up in case anyone has some good non-fizzy drink suggestions. Not too horrible sweet please? I know coke has tons of sugar, but the total effects wasn't icky sweet unless it went flat or warm. Lemonade is good, but I'd like a bit of variety.
 
posted by [identity profile] darwiniacat.livejournal.com at 05:49pm on 2005-02-06
I don't have that side effect from Topamax but then again I never drank much soda to begin with.
 
posted by [identity profile] still-asking.livejournal.com at 07:06pm on 2005-02-06
It's a 'some people get' side effect, not a 'given' one, and well worth it for the migrane relief. After all, if simply giving up the soda would have stopped them, I would have done that years ago.
 
posted by [identity profile] suecochran.livejournal.com at 10:15am on 2005-02-06
Yuck, caffeine where you didn't expect it. In addition to the water, I'd think that anything like bread or crackers could help to absorb the unwanted drug - but this reply is probably coming way too late to help you at this point. I'm sorry that this happened to you.

I'm very sensitive to caffeine. I deliberately stopped drinking it daily (in cola sodas, I've never had coffee - can't stand the smell so never bothered to taste the stuff)around High School, and in college used it only for staying up to write term papers (at the last minute of course and with no rough draft).

If I choose to use caffeine nowadays, which I occasionally do because pizza places and Subway don't have caffeine-free colas in their machines or refrigerator cases (and why don't they?), I try not to have any soda until after I've consumed all of my food so the caffeine enters my system more slowly. I also try not to have any caffeine after noon. Sometimes I can get away with it, but other times it can cause me anxiety attacks (usually while I'm driving) or worsten my restless leg syndrome so that I have to take more meds.

I agree with the others who've suggested writing to the company to let them know that they've lost a customer because of this addition to their product.
 
posted by [identity profile] darwiniacat.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 2005-02-06
I concur with all the others who have said to drink LOTS and LOTS of water. Flushing it out of your system is about the only way to go.

Curiously, dark colas dark colas give me panic attacks but light colas are okay irregardless of caffiene content. I do as well with sprite and sunkist as I do with mountain dew.

Tea on the other nearly always has to be deacafienated.
 
posted by [identity profile] merde.livejournal.com at 10:40pm on 2005-02-06
ugh, sorry to hear about this. every once in a while someone at work will rudely make regular coffee in the decaf pot, and i end up walking around all day feeling like the top of my head is about to blow clean off. every once in a while if i'm especially fatigued i'll have some regular coffee to blow off the fog, but under ordinary circumstances it makes me feel horrible.

the unexpected-ingredient peeve i've had lately is with dairy products. it's remarkable how many store and/or generic brands of heavy cream and/or sour cream contain non-cream ingredients. in case, you know, anyone from another planet was unclear on this, the proper ingredients of heavy cream are: cream. the proper ingredients of sour cream are: cultured cream. not carrageenan. not whey. not "nonfat milk solids", whatever the fuck those are. cream. is this a difficult concept? i don't think so...

i was horribly disappointed the other day when i discovered that Trader Joe's store brand of sour cream contains even more non-sour-cream ingredients than Western Family brand, my previous nemesis. usually they're pretty good about the natural ingredients thing... why would they do this?
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 04:42am on 2005-02-07
Ugh. Sorry to hear that. I hope you were able to chase it off eventually. (I'm a little late for the advice-giving phase of the discussion.)

I use caffeine quite deliberately as a drug. I know its effects on me, and the effects of its absence, and what efforts I will put into diluting it (generally 2 units of water per unit of caffeinated beverage). I would be upset to find that the caffeine levels in what I drink had changed without my noticing, in either direction.
 
posted by [identity profile] old-hedwig.livejournal.com at 02:36pm on 2005-02-07
I love caffeine, but am not as able to enjoy iy as I sued to be. I used to drink coffee after dinner and still sleep like a log. Now I have to stop after noon.

I used to lreally LOVE those pirate feasts, btw. Haven't been to one since the year before I conceived my oldest. Does Chort still run those?
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 12:03pm on 2005-02-08
yes, His latest was last weekend I think.
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 09:28pm on 2005-02-09
Of course, I know I'm unusual for thinking of caffeine as a drug,

In Canada it is illegal to add caffeine to foods where one would not expect to find it, such as non-cola-flavored sodas.

You can imagine how startled I was to buy my one-and-only bottle of Canadian Mountain Dew and discover that it was caffeine-free.

What was worse was when a restaurant I patronized frequently switched from regular to caffeine-free Diet Coke **and did not change their fountain placards**.

These days, my default beverages are not caffeinated, but I do still enjoy the occasional caffeinated day...
 
are from unexpected caffeine instead of the fibromyalgia

Do you know about [livejournal.com profile] fibromyalgia?

You could try asking there for suggestions.

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