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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 07:58am on 2005-03-04

After rehearsal, [livejournal.com profile] justgus37 and I grabbed a bite to eat. And we chatted about number systems and computers. A tangential comment led to musing about the meaning of a base with a non-integer radix. So we spent a while trying to figure out how to count in base-two-and-a-half.

It had been a while since I played with math (as opposed to using it or teaching it). I'd remembered it was fun, but I'd forgotten how intoxicating it can be. That giddy feeling as something surprising suddenly clicks into sense. "Drunk on math". We were entertained by the discovery that in a non-integer base there will numbers with lower values than shorter numbers -- that is, a number N digits long that is less than a number N-1 digits long (for example, 100two-and-a-half < 22two-and-a-half ... note that 100two-and-a-half = 6.25ten, and 22two-and-a-half = 7ten). Once I've closed a few of the too-many open browser windows, I'm going to have to ask Google what's already been written on this subject.

It seems somehow fitting that the place where we were discussing this is called Plato's.

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posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 02:40pm on 2005-03-04
aw, why limit ourselves to rational number bases? :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 05:53pm on 2005-03-04
We were aiming for an irrational base but decided to play with a non-integer rational one first to get our feet wet. The inspiration for that whole train of thought was having read recently that some folks think the "most efficient" number system would be base-e. So yeah, irrational bases would be the next step.

Though I'm thinking of exploring a brief detour into base-i, just because I thought I caught a glimpse of funny oscillations out of the corner of my mind when that thought flitted past.
 
posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 06:02pm on 2005-03-04
Actually, I was thinking of base-ei when I posted that ... but
figured it would sound TOO off-the-wall.

Remember Niven's Moties? I always pictured them as using whatever
base was convenient to do something. Not sure if that was in the
books, will have to re-read them.

Then there is my idea for them building a new syntax in each
conversation, but that is getting a bit off the topic.
 
posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 04:02pm on 2005-03-04
Please post about it if you find anything out--there might be something interesting about how the number lengths cross over.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 05:56pm on 2005-03-04
Will do. I started searching already, but this machine is getting pretty slow so I really do need to get around to finishing up with these open windows (which probably involves getting around to a link-sausage entry or two, among other things) or clear a space to sit in front of another computer...
 
posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 05:04pm on 2005-03-07
I kicked base pi around just a little and discussed it with a mathematician. He thinks it would be totally unmanagable for integers above three.

I tentatively conclude that you wouldn't use integer digits--you'd use formulas. Also that there might be aliens who were so good at math that they'd do non-integer bases for the fun of it--it would be like making doilies.
 
posted by [identity profile] garnet-rattler.livejournal.com at 02:30am on 2005-03-07
You brought back the wonderful memory of a presentation I went to in the early 1990s on wavelet transforms and using higher order systems of equations to combine Fourier and Laplace transforms into a workable and more complete description of complex waveforms in the ~real world. Once the underlying concept was grasped (very quickly; it isn't That much of a leap from either of the two inital systes), I got caught up in the math and wrapped my head around a 5-1/2 dimensional Hilbert space. Now there's something no drug I've ever even Heard of can match. Unhappily, the side-effect of the whole ~ordinary world being an insignificant flyspeck far off to one's side Can be a problem ... I had to come back down to avoid walking into walls and driving ~through concrete pillars.

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