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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:25am on 2005-05-08 under

From the Quotation of the day mailing list, 2005-04-28:

"The truth? My foot! What are we, a bunch of goddamned philosophers or something? We make truths, Obersturmfuhrer Rutkowski! We don't learn them, we make them! That's a creative endeavor, not an investigative one. We're artists, my dear sir.... I'd say poets." -- Borislav Pekic, from his novel How to Quiet a Vampire. The character Steinbrecher, a policeman, is explaining the nature of police investigations.
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posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 11:40am on 2005-05-08
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
--attributed to a Bush aide by Suskind

Did you have this in mind when you put the quote up?
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:16pm on 2005-05-08
Mmmmmmmaybe. ;-)
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 05:59pm on 2005-05-08
Was is real is real and not made up, for example "That is a tree" or "I hit him"

What is "truth" depends on how you define truth. If you including in truth motives and reasons then yes it is "made up". If you define it as what is and what is not then it is not "made up"

For example there is a car outside the house. That is a both a truthful and real statement. There is YOUR car outside YOUR house. That introduces the idea of ownership which unless supported by legal stuff can be "made up". If you say My new Car is outside of My old house. Then you have introduced subjective judgements that are most certainly "made up"

Let look at the Iraq war.
Real statement... Troops from the USA went to war with Iraq.
Legal Truths... The USA declared war on Iraq.
Subjective Truth... Ths USA leberated the people of Iraq. or The USA is occupying the country of Iraq.

truth = 1)Conformity to fact or actuality
2) A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
3) Sincerity; integrity.
4) Fidelity to an original or standard.


#1 is fact based and not subjective or value based.
2-4 are subjective meanings and can be value based.

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