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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 04:06pm on 2005-12-06 under ,

So I've got these blank CDs. And the packaging has instructions, and the instructions that came with one brand say not to write on them with anything but a Special Magic CD-Marking Pen Of Specialness, or else Bad Things May Occur. They specify an oil-based marker.

I've been using a Sharpie. I always have one handy.

I've had my suspicions about the nature of the SMCD-MPoS, but had not gotten my hands on one until last night. Last night there was one lying around at the dance for some reason, so I pulled the cap off and sniffed it. It smells just like a Sharpie. Of course, that's not conclusive -- it doesn't mean that the ink is exactly the same as what Sanford (maker of Sharpies) uses, but it does mean that the carrier for that ink -- the component that evaporates as the ink dries -- is the same. So far this seems much like the time I noticed that the Special Magic Etchant-Resist Pen Of Unique Acid-Proof Qualities for making printed circuit boards (actually I was making jewelry, etching designs into brass instead of circuit traces out of copper, but ferric chloride works just as well for that) smelled just like a Sharpie ... and then went on to discover that a Sharpie works better as an acid-resist than the Special For This Purpose pen did. (And came in a wider variety of sizes, to boot.) Actually, even some store-brand extra-wide-tip markers work better than the special circuit board pen did.

So the obvious question this has all been leading up to:

Is there in fact anything special about the pens marketed as CD-marking pens, or are they just knock-offs of Sharpies with the price jacked up and a bit of FUD to convince us to buy them? Or to ask this ever-so-slightly differently, is there any reason not to continue labelling CD-R discs with a Sharpie?

I haven't had any problems so far, but a few weeks may not be a valid test. Obviously, I've got my own guess already ...

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posted by [personal profile] dsrtao at 09:11pm on 2005-12-06
I've been labelling CDRs with sharpies in a variety of colors for years now. No attributable problems.

As an aside, DVD-Rs seem more vulnerable to fingerprints and scratches than CDRs.
 
posted by [identity profile] old-hedwig.livejournal.com at 09:13pm on 2005-12-06
I have been using Sharpie's on CDs forever - I had already gotten into the habit of using them onmdiskettes instead of sticky little labels that peel of and stick in the drive. I love me some Sharpie pens.
 
posted by [identity profile] old-hedwig.livejournal.com at 09:14pm on 2005-12-06
on diskettes.
 
posted by [identity profile] dacuteturtle.livejournal.com at 09:26pm on 2005-12-06
I recall something about alcohol pens doing bad stuff to CD substrates. It made the news a few years back. Consult your favorite oracle for more details.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:57pm on 2005-12-06
Uh oh. The oracle counseled both 'yes' and 'no' and 'install Linux':

According to Plextor (http://www.plextor.com/english/news/media.html): "Use a soft-tipped pen with water-soluble non-toxic ink (e.g. Sanford Sharpie line), when writing on the media. The top protective lacquer layer is delicate and may scratch if a ballpoint pen is used, or degrade if an alcohol-solvent marking pen is used."

According to Media Sciences (http://www.mscience.com/faq23.html): "Never write on the label surface with a solvent based pen, such as the popular Sharpie. Use only pens with water based inks, and write only on the clear inner ring if possible."

Uh ... Sharpies smell of alcohol, and the dried ink is removable quickly with alcohol but not easily with water, but one site says they're water-based and holds them up as the example of a good thing to use, while another says thou shalt not. Urk ...

NIST (http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2004_0213.htm#cd) merely says: You should never use a pen, pencil or hard-tip marker to write on your CDs." (But it would not have occurred to me to try to write on a surface like that with a hard-point pen or a pencil in the first place -- that just sounds frustrating.)

I think I've got some oil-based paint-pens in the basement ...
 
posted by [identity profile] donnad.livejournal.com at 09:59pm on 2005-12-06
I always thought that the special CD marking pens were water based inks rather than whatever it is (alcohol?) that sharpie uses.

I don't know, When I got the batch of blank CD's a pen came with them so I figured why risk it and used the special pen.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:40pm on 2005-12-06
Alcohol, yes. That's the secret to erasing them (from non-porous surfaces), by the way. Thing is, the CD pen I saw last night smelled the same.

If I'd gotten a free pen with the CDs, I probably would have just gone ahead and used it too, unless it really sucked. Sharpies have been what I've had right at hand whenver I've burned a CD though.
 
posted by [identity profile] threeringedmoon.livejournal.com at 10:10pm on 2005-12-06
Geez...I thought that's what Sharpies were for!
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:37pm on 2005-12-06
"what Sharpies were for" ... er, that's kind of like describing what duct tape "is for" isn't it? (Duct tape holds the universe together, Sharpies label it.)
 
posted by [identity profile] dianec42.livejournal.com at 01:33am on 2005-12-07
For what it's worth, I've been labeling CD-Rs with Sharpies for years with no problems. At my current job I have been labeling dual-layer DVDRs with Sharpies for 11 months now and have never had one returned because of anything that could possibly have been Sharpie-related damage. And I am *totally* the disc-burning go-to person here.
 
posted by [identity profile] blumindy.livejournal.com at 02:51am on 2005-12-07
FWIW I also have been using them for years with no effect and they have been using them on install-DVDs with the proprietary software for about 2 years.
 
posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 02:02pm on 2005-12-10
I just grab the nearest magic marker and have never had a problem.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 06:19am on 2005-12-21
Well that's not the issue that you haven't had a problem in x years with labeling said cd/dvd with a sharpie. (x being a single digit number)

The issue is that the longevity is compromised, no matter what manufacturer created it. We're mostly talking 10-20 years or longer. I know I've seen some cdr's advertised that last over 200 years. The problem is, they last that long in a very isolated environment. When you bring sharpies, weird bacteria that think cdr's are yummy, and other items that accelerate degradation into play, you end up with a much smaller figure.

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