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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 10:43am on 2003-10-13

"Every time I hear the phrase 'defense of marriage', I ask exactly how my marriage is being defended by excluding homosexuals from marrying. I have yet to hear a decent explanation." -- Mark Amidon

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posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 08:31am on 2003-10-13
Mine won't be threatened by anything but a pretty computer geek with a sweeter disposition who's a better dancer. Or lack of time.
Anyone brave/foolish and optimistic enough to commit to a marriage should be able to do so with any other human being who's brave/foolish and optimistic enough to do the same back. And have all the rights, privileges, joys, and miseries that accrue unto that state. Period. But I repeat myself.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:07am on 2003-10-14
I wonder what percentage of failed marriages fail due to, basically, "lack of time". (Or for that matter, how many that wind up in counselling and survive, as well.) And if that turns out to be significant, I wonder what Bush is doing about that.
 
posted by [identity profile] wilhelmina-d.livejournal.com at 10:29am on 2003-10-13
First - I love this quote. Right on! :p
Second - how do you get your computer to post a quote every day without having to do it manually? I'd like to do the same, as I have a whole bunch of weight loss type quotes I'd like to add. Any help you could give would be appreciated! Thanks!
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:49pm on 2003-10-13

This might not be helpful to you, but my technique is this:



I have a file in my home directory called LJQUOTES and a subdirectory called quotetmp. The LJQUOTES file looks like this:

<!-- cut line for QotD automation script -- Tue 20031104 -->



<p><i>"Ignore your rights and they'll go away"</i> --

bumper sticker</i></p>



<!-- cut line for QotD automation script -- Wed 20031105 -->



<p><lj user="jducoeur">

<a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/jducoeur/39456.html">

wrote</a>, <i>"The only reasonable conclusion is that

the universe is whimsical when bored..."</i></p>



<!-- cut line for QotD automation script -- Thu 20031106 -->



<p><i>"The answer may not end up in a major scientific journal or

dramatically change [...]



[. . .]



<!-- cut line for QotD automation script -- Sun 20040104 -->



<p>+++ If you see this, it means I screwed up and let my automatic

quote-of-the-day script run out of quotes to post.</p>



<!-- cut line for QotD automation script -- Mon 20040105 -->



<p>+++ If you see this, it means I screwed up and let my automatic

quote-of-the-day script run out of quotes to post.</p>



Then I've got a script called qotd:

# Move to directory just for dealing with quotes.

cd ~/quotetmp

# Break LJQUOTEFILE into individual entries for ease of manipulation.

csplit ../LJQUOTEFILE -n 4 '/cut line for QotD automation script/' "{*}"

# Strip off delimiter from the quote I'm going to post, then call the 
# 'clive' LJ client to post it and mail myself a copy.

sed -e "/cut line for QotD automation script/d" xx0001 > today.tmp
/shared/Software/Linux-386/clive -p -u dglenn -w LunaGrad -s QotD < today.tmp
mail -s "Automagically posted LJ QotD" `whoami` < today.tmp

# Clean up:  Delete the un-stripped copy of the entry 
# just posted, as well as the empty file 'csplit' will have 
# left as xx0000...

rm xx0001 xx0000

# Glue all the other entries back together as a new copy of 
# LJQUOTEFILE and delete the xx* files...

cat xx* > ../LJQUOTEFILE
rm xx*

# And give an archival filename to the edited entry just posted.

mv today.tmp qotd.`date +%Y%m%d`.html



And finally, in /var/spool/cron/dglenn, is the following line:


25 5 * * * /home/dglenn/bin/qotd | /usr/bin/tail -5

(The 'tail' at the end is so that just enough of the output to troubleshoot when things go wrong gets mailed to me each morning by the 'cron' daemon.)



If you're running Windows or MacOS 9.x or earlier (no clue here about BeOS) you'll have to do things a little differently or a lot differently, depending on what extra goodies you have or haven't installed. The same basic approach should work as long as there's a scheduling tool to take the place of 'cron' and something that'll chop the quotes file up and massage it apropriately. I haven't tried this under MacOS X yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work as long as you can get 'clive' to compile (which shouldn't be hard).



There's probably a less-roundabout way do do it using Perl or Python, but it was quicker for me to hack it together using tools I didn't have to think about. I should really add error-checking so it'll automatically notice (and react to) problems such as my net connection being down or LJ being twitchy, but currently I just check it when I wake up and manually post any entry that didn't work automagically.



Dunno whether this helps or not ... I guess it depends on what tools you've got handy. I don't think I know what operating systems you use.

 
The gay-bashers really mean "Definition" when they say "Defense", but it sounds soooooooo much cooler that way.
 
Oddly enough, I hadn't thought of that (definition vs. defense). Good point. Still completely different from what they're saying, the words they use to try to sway the masses.
 
Exactly, but that's a technique no one has a monopoly on. Pro Lifers & Pro Choicers for example -- I mean who would really admit to being anti-either???

It even goes back to the writing of the Constitution. The idea of the strong central govt (SCG) wasn't popular, so the supporters for the SCG coopted the name "Federal" (which the govt under the Articles of Confederation supposedly was) and thus were born the Federalist Papers, redefining the term for their own purpose -- and guess what, they won. So thoroughly did they win, that today almost no one realizes that the term they use for our SSG came about from a marketing ploy.

Anyway, to put it accurately, what the anti-gays are doing is "Defending (their definition of) Marriage". They aren't claiming to defend any individual's marriage per-se, as much as the institution itself.

I would argue that even the institution won't be hurt if the definition doesn't match what they think it should be. The assumption they make is that it somehow *is* what they say it is in the first place.

I mean, when you stop to think about it, about the only "legal" things that marriage gets you that you cannot get any other way are the tax form thing and "spousal privilege" in a courtroom. Pretty much everything else can be handled contractually.
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 01:07pm on 2003-10-13
People whose respect for the institution of marriage would be reduced by seeing gays marry probably aren't among its stronger supporters in the first place. However, it's one legitimate line of reasoning. (Incorrect, IMNPO, but I can see how people would think that way.)
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 02:57pm on 2003-10-13
I'm not heterosexual, but my marriage is. I didn't marry my partner because we're of different sexes; I had other reasons, which seemed good, and the difference in sexes was simply one of the things that made it possible to act on those reasons.

Whether other people respect the institution of marriage has little or nothing to do with the likelihood and hope that my partner and I will stay together as long as we both shall live.

More to the point, "some people won't respect marriage as much if just anyone can do it" is a sad basis for legislation.
 
posted by [identity profile] butterfluff.livejournal.com at 04:36pm on 2003-10-13
"some people won't respect marriage as much if just anyone can do it"

I like that! Maybe "just anyone" should be not be allowed to do it.
But how many of each sex should not be one of the qualiications.

How about couple stress tests? Required counseling? (Even if you do not believe in them, being willing to put up with the torture counts. You should see some of the tests the early space program had. Most of what they tested was determination.)

And those artificial babies some of the schools hand out, where they can tell if you mistreat them.
Yes, even for gay couples. It's a great test of character.

And make it "family" stress tests. No reason to restrict it to just a pair.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:58pm on 2003-10-13
The problem with that level of government intrusion into marriage is that it would either impose government meddling into the religious institution(s) of marriage, or it would both force and depend on most people telling the difference between state marriage and religious marriage, which most folks debating marriage lately can't seem to distinguish (probably because not only do they share a name, but they usually happen at the same time).

But y'know, that would almost certainly reduce the divorce rate noticeably.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 05:52pm on 2003-10-13
Newt Gingrich comes to mind. Ditch first wife when she gets cancer, ditch second when someone young and cute comes along. Yeah, a real supporter of marriage. Can homosexual marriage reduce his respect for it to less than his actions indicate that he already has?
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:59pm on 2003-10-13
Argh. Before this week started, we should've done some digging to find out how many of the current crop have similar history.
 
posted by [identity profile] slfisher.livejournal.com at 07:58pm on 2003-10-13
Hope I see that quote reprinted far and wide...
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:00am on 2003-10-14
I hope so too. (I think he was assuming others would re-quote when he gave me permission to post it here ...)
 
posted by [identity profile] slfisher.livejournal.com at 04:07am on 2003-10-14
Unless Mark has changed a lot in the past twenty years or so, I would pretty much take that as a given. :-)

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