For him to be a hatemonger he has to be preaching hatred. And presumably, he has to be wrong as well.
So lets put him to the test.
Is he saying religious people should be shot? beaten? put in jail? Not at all.
He says they are misguided. He says they were likely brainwashed at a young age. He feels sorry for them. He feels alot of societies ills happen because of this.
Where I think you and I disagree is that I don't think Religion has to believe in the almighty.
I think Atheism is a religion too as it is a faith that believes in the *absence* of a supreme being.
Religions are dogmas as to the structure of the universe in the absence of other information. Belief in what cannot be proven, or at least what cannot be proven *yet*. So I believe the Nazi's did practice a religion (heck, they were a cult!). Likewise, the USSR's insistance as the State as the supreme being was a religion too.
Just because your religious, doesn't mean you believe in a Creator. What Bill is going off on is the blind acceptance of what *anyone* tells you you should believe. And on that level, I can't really find fault with him.
No what Bill is going on about is people who beleave in the spiritual.
As for the hate monger thing... if I were to say the same things about Jews would you call be justifed? Would you cansider me as "having a point"?
I happen to agree that Atheism is a religion, Nazism was a fanatic world view.. ie race wars. For a group to be a religion they need to have answer for 3 questions... 1) What started all this 2) What is my purpose here 3) What happen when I die. Any group that answers these three questions I would say was a religion. The Nazi's did answer 1 or 3.
No what Bill is going on about is people who beleave in the spiritual.
Where did you get that?
Even in your quotes he goes after religion itself and not the people.
Re: Nazi's being a religion.
For the people like Bill, the Nazi's are a religion. Certainly, when I think of the crimes done in the name of religion, I count the holocaust. The Nazi's thought they were right to kill members of a religion. They thought they were on the right side of the religious teachings. It's religious fervor. It doesn't have to rise to the level of fanaticism to make you disregard your own senses.
I would not. Unless you sight Nazi's as following secularism, which there is much proof for. In which case the religion isn't Nazi but Secularism.
Now according to you I could say democrats are brain washes, mental flawed, and are destorying our society, and I would not be guilty of hatered toward democrats I would only be making a point. Is that right?
How can a hatred of one particular religion be secular? Wouldnt you need a religious bias to have that? How would it work otherwise?
And yes, you could say that without hating someone. I might think you'd be misguided and wrong and thickheaded, but not guilty of hatred, and neither would I be for saying that opinion.
I think he's mad about how religion gets used by some people. Religion requires faith. I don't think he has a problem with that until that faith is used to justify whatever the guy at the pulpit thinks should be justified (excuse me...how he interprets the scriptures).
Look at the 9/11 hijackers. They killed over 3000 people thinking the Almighty approved of it, so they'd go to heaven for doing so. I think Bill feels hostility towards anyone who uses religion like that. I think he also has a problem with trying to teach religion to someone who isn't capable of making decisions for him/herself.
I do not believe he feels hostility towards people who don't do that, but I think he feels the people who do have become endemic.
"I do not believe he feels hostility towards people who don't do that, but I think he feels the people who do have become endemic."
Well on that I guess we are both making subjective judgements because only he could answer that and even in his own answer it would be subjective. I feel he is hateful towards religion and that he promotes hateful ideas against religion. You don't and that fine. But I personnal would not consider him a good athority on decide is someone is hateful or not. Since I feel he is fully emersed in it himself.
Well, it is nice to know he considers us mental damaged, the root of the destruction of our country, and insane... I happy to know he has no ill will towards us.
How can a hatred of one particular religion be secular?
When it come to the Nazi's they hated Jew... but they also hated Gypsys, Gays, Blacks, etc. To think that the Jews were the ONLY target of there groups is foolish.
*ahem* It isn't a religious statement to say "I *don't* believe in (a) god..." That's where you're messing up, by defining atheism (small a, please) as a positive statement ("I believe that there is no god." You're confusing a lack of faith with faith in a lack.
Religion is a faith a belief in something that can not be proven. As such you can not prove that God does not exist. Therefore a atheist is by defination and accourding the Supreme Court Judgement a religion. It is the faith or belief of no God. It is the religion of pure rationalization and material sciences. It does everything religion does.
It tells you where everything came from, what is our purposes here, and what happens when you die.
But the idea of religion is subjective and can blur with the idea of philosophy. Some "religions" are mearly philosophy while some "philosophys" appear to more like a religion.
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So lets put him to the test.
Is he saying religious people should be shot? beaten? put in jail? Not at all.
He says they are misguided. He says they were likely brainwashed at a young age. He feels sorry for them. He feels alot of societies ills happen because of this.
Where I think you and I disagree is that I don't think Religion has to believe in the almighty.
I think Atheism is a religion too as it is a faith that believes in the *absence* of a supreme being.
Religions are dogmas as to the structure of the universe in the absence of other information. Belief in what cannot be proven, or at least what cannot be proven *yet*. So I believe the Nazi's did practice a religion (heck, they were a cult!). Likewise, the USSR's insistance as the State as the supreme being was a religion too.
Just because your religious, doesn't mean you believe in a Creator. What Bill is going off on is the blind acceptance of what *anyone* tells you you should believe. And on that level, I can't really find fault with him.
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As for the hate monger thing... if I were to say the same things about Jews would you call be justifed? Would you cansider me as "having a point"?
I happen to agree that Atheism is a religion, Nazism was a fanatic world view.. ie race wars. For a group to be a religion they need to have answer for 3 questions... 1) What started all this 2) What is my purpose here 3) What happen when I die. Any group that answers these three questions I would say was a religion. The Nazi's did answer 1 or 3.
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Where did you get that?
Even in your quotes he goes after religion itself and not the people.
Re: Nazi's being a religion.
For the people like Bill, the Nazi's are a religion. Certainly, when I think of the crimes done in the name of religion, I count the holocaust. The Nazi's thought they were right to kill members of a religion. They thought they were on the right side of the religious teachings. It's religious fervor. It doesn't have to rise to the level of fanaticism to make you disregard your own senses.
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Now according to you I could say democrats are brain washes, mental flawed, and are destorying our society, and I would not be guilty of hatered toward democrats I would only be making a point. Is that right?
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And yes, you could say that without hating someone. I might think you'd be misguided and wrong and thickheaded, but not guilty of hatred, and neither would I be for saying that opinion.
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I think he's mad about how religion gets used by some people. Religion requires faith. I don't think he has a problem with that until that faith is used to justify whatever the guy at the pulpit thinks should be justified (excuse me...how he interprets the scriptures).
Look at the 9/11 hijackers. They killed over 3000 people thinking the Almighty approved of it, so they'd go to heaven for doing so. I think Bill feels hostility towards anyone who uses religion like that. I think he also has a problem with trying to teach religion to someone who isn't capable of making decisions for him/herself.
I do not believe he feels hostility towards people who don't do that, but I think he feels the people who do have become endemic.
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Well on that I guess we are both making subjective judgements because only he could answer that and even in his own answer it would be subjective. I feel he is hateful towards religion and that he promotes hateful ideas against religion. You don't and that fine. But I personnal would not consider him a good athority on decide is someone is hateful or not. Since I feel he is fully emersed in it himself.
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When it come to the Nazi's they hated Jew... but they also hated Gypsys, Gays, Blacks, etc. To think that the Jews were the ONLY target of there groups is foolish.
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It tells you where everything came from, what is our purposes here, and what happens when you die.
But the idea of religion is subjective and can blur with the idea of philosophy. Some "religions" are mearly philosophy while some "philosophys" appear to more like a religion.