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Politically, I am a nobody. Neither am I a celebrity. But it turns out that I am at most five contacts away from Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Each of them has, according to the first hit I found on Google, a Bacon number of three. I have a Bacon number of two[1]. So connecting only through appearances in IMDB-listed films, I am no more than five relationships away from ObL.

Who knows how few personal relationships[2] link any of us to some lesser-known (but still known) terrorist?

Casting a really wide net in the search for terrorists based on associate-of-an-associate-of links[3] is going to gather so many false positives that it will be entirely useless.[4]

And of course, lest anyone think to question my patriotic bona-fides or smear what they perceive as my liberal politics[5] based on my being five contacts from Hussein and ObL, I must point out that this means the least connected and most conservative person who has ever exchanged flamage with me on a mailing list or LiveJournal is at most six contacts away from Osama bin Laden himself! And that's exactly my point: that this number tells us nothing about the people.

[0] I was looking up Osama bin Laden; finding out that I am the same distance from Saddam Hussein was a side effect. The title of this post does not mean that I'm one of the folks the Bush administration tricked into believing that Hussein was connected to al Queda. Though obviously ObL and Hussein are only five degrees apart based on this same measurement...

[1] I was an extra in Forrest Gump.

[2] As in actually having conversed with, exchanged correspondence with, or conducted commerce with -- my being an extra does not mean I have a personal relationship with Tom Hanks, and I'm assumimg that the FBI and the NSA aren't actually interested in the Bacon numbers of extras.

[3] I'm not sure just how wide a net they are casting, but I've heard of folks being listed as persons of interest by virtue of having rented a room from a terrorist's unsuspecting in-laws, so there's some suspicion-by-contagion. Still, unless it turns out[6] they really are sweeping everyone with any detectable relationship a few contacts away into the web of surveillance -- plausible given what has been said so far about the extent of the illegal wiretaps and the data mining -- consider this entry a musing about hypotheticals.

[4] Unless, of course, the use to which you really hope to put such data is the smearing of your political opponents or finding excuses to arrest gadflies, instead of foiling and capturing terrorists.

[5] I do look liberal. Measured against most yardsticks, I'm probably somewhere that side of center. But I look a lot more liberal in contrast to the current crop of neo-conartists than I do standing next to traditional (American) conservatives with whom I have a fair amount in common. I'm a little unclear over exactly where to label myself, other than knowing I'm not a perfect match for the conventional ideologies and a certainly not a 'winger' (left or right). The two different two-axis political-identification quizzes provide useful information, but I still don't feel I quite represent the spots on the graph where either of those places me. So I'll only go so far (for now) as to say, "It's probably not too misleading to call me a liberal." Then again, these days it seems the only other people willing to use the word "liberal" at all are the ones who use it as synonymous with "liberal extremist", which makes labelling a bit bizarre ...

[6] I'm a bit behind on my LJ and other reading.

[Edit @ 2009-06-11 04:40: A more intelligent search (and possibly the effects of movie/television appearences occurring in the last 41 months) reduces the easily-discoverable degrees of separation to ... three steps between myself and bin Laden, two steps between myself and George W. Bush. That's using The Oracle of Bacon with all genres checked and all media other than video games, and referencing everyone to Tom Hanks (because of the Forrest Gump connection) instead of forcing all linkages to go through Kevin Bacon.]

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posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com at 11:09pm on 2006-01-06
re [1] :blink: show us some time!!!
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:22pm on 2006-01-06
I'm not visible in the slice&dice version, but friends said they did spot me when they saw it in theatres. If you ever get ahold of a letterboxed video, this (http://www.radix.net/~dglenn/me/forrest-gump.html) tells where to look for me.

(I wasn't supposed to be playing that lovely Fender twelve-string (I wasn't even supposed to touch it, actually), but I didn't have time to put it back when they started a take. Then it had to be in the other takes lest we cause a continuity glitch.)
 
posted by [identity profile] wouldyoueva.livejournal.com at 12:24am on 2006-01-07
Hmm. I'm not in IMDB, but a former in-law is (for some reason they have him listed under his name and his first and middle initials) and I got this:

Chuck Varesko has a Bacon number of 3.

Chuck Varesko was in Certain Sacrifice, A (1985) with Madonna (I)
Madonna (I) was in Next Best Thing, The (2000) with Benjamin Bratt (I)
Benjamin Bratt (I) was in Woodsman, The (2004) with Kevin Bacon

But I don't know how he connects up to Osama.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:37am on 2006-01-07
According to the page Google found me (http://www.ogeid.com/weblog/archives/2003_04.html),
Osama bin Laden was in Naqoyqatsi (2002) with Paul McCartney
Paul McCartney was in Mayor of the Sunset Strip (2003) with Courtney Love
Courtney Love was in Trapped (2002) with Kevin Bacon

and

Saddam Hussein was in Saddam Hussein: Defying the World - A Visual Biography (1990) with George Bush
George Bush was in Last Party, The (1993) with Laura Dern
Laura Dern was in Novocaine (2001) with Kevin Bacon


So Chuck Varesko has a binLaden number of at most six (possibly less, as there may be a shorter path that doesn't involve Bacon).

Hmm. Actually it turns out that I'm only four steps from Hussein (http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/oracle/movielinks?firstname=saddam+hussein&secondname=tom+hanks&using=1&game=0), not the five I'd thought.
 

Aha

posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:42am on 2006-01-07
I'm having trouble getting the tool to link to bin Laden, but I did get it to tell me this:
The Oracle says: saddam hussein has a chuck varesko number of 4.

Saddam Hussein was in Dix, Les (2003) with Nelson Mandela
Nelson Mandela was in Malcolm X (1992) with Debi Mazar
Debi Mazar was in Girl 6 (1996) with Madonna (I)
Madonna (I) was in Certain Sacrifice, A (1985) with Chuck Varesko
 
posted by (anonymous) at 01:17am on 2006-02-28
Actually, I was saying to Osama just the other day (on our secret carrier pigeon to internet radio connnection) that all this 6 degrees of Saddam stuff is just a lot of hooey. I mean, I'm Chuck Varesko and I never met Debi Mazar or Madonna. But I'd bonk 'em given half a chance. Now stop tossing my name around or the next time I have some hummus with a known terrorist I'll sic him on ya.
 
posted by [identity profile] texas-tiger.livejournal.com at 12:42am on 2006-01-07
Dunno if he can be considered a terrorist, per se, but I am four degrees of Charles Manson.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 01:53am on 2006-01-07
He'd be a terrorist today. (Be notorious enough, or someone the administration feels a special need to drum up popular opinion against, and any bad guy is suddenly a 'terrorist' now. "Mass murderer" doesn't sound scary enough any more, right?)
 
posted by [identity profile] texas-tiger.livejournal.com at 02:44am on 2006-01-07
That's nice to know. Or something.

But anyway, in case you're interested, my mother went to school with Tex Watson, who was one of Manson's disciples.
 
posted by [identity profile] sue-n-julia.livejournal.com at 01:26am on 2006-01-07
I absolutely love it! I wonder how few contacts the big shrub himself is away from OBL.

S
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 01:50am on 2006-01-07
I'll have to look up how far apart they are in movie appearances, but in terms of classical "degrees of separation" the distance cannot be more than two: Bush knows some of ObL's relatives.

But really, any politician is going to be pretty close by this sort of metric, just from being a politician.
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posted by [identity profile] much-ado.livejournal.com at 02:26am on 2006-01-07
...nothing has critically compressed my world like LiveJournal has.

ergo, ipso facto, the odds of Osama bin Laden having a LiveJournal, or knowing someone who has one, are on a maximum probability scale.

ergo, you just have to find out who on LJ knows ObL and friend the bugger, and Bob's Yer Unkle (and likely also has an LJ...)
 
When I mentioned this to [livejournal.com profile] kyttn, she remarked that she is two steps from Gandhi, via her grandmother. Since she's met you, Glenn, this means that ObL is at most 8 from Gandhi.

My best connection to the Bacon number world is probably Garrett Brown, the inventor of the Steadicam. He went to my parents' high school about the same time as them, and I've met him, so I'm 2 from lots and lots of actors.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 06:37am on 2006-01-07
I am one degree of separation from both Harlan Ellison and Norman Spinrad, and two from Bruce Sterling. Where that puts me in relation to Osama Bin Laden and/or Saddam Hussein, I don't know.

I am also one degree of separation from Megan Ward and Leif Junker, and two from Dario Argento. I'm not working in show business. Those two statements are significant. *grin*

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