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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 06:43pm on 2004-02-28

This doesn't sound right.

I got up this morning and checked the FedEx web site: "9:16 am -- On FedEx vehicle for delivery". Since then, I've been awake and at home. My doorbell works. Noticing that it had gotten late, I checked the web site again at five minutes to six: "5:42 pm Delivered" Signed for by "XXX".

WTF? I've been here all day and no driver has rung my doorbell.

I called the 800 number for FedEx and got ahold of a human. She said, "Let me call the terminal," and put me on hold. After about eight minutes on hold, it rang through to a message that said, "The Home Delivery Business Office hours are ...". I left a message and called the 800 number again. This time I got handed off to a supervisor (without having to ask for that).

I described the problem, and my having been home all day and never having a driver ring or knock, and the supervisor said that she'd pass a message to the Baltimore office to contact the driver to see what he remembers about the delivery ... on Tuesday because it's a Tuesday-to-Saturday office. She also said that drivers for home delivery don't usually ring the doorbell, they just "release the package".

Ex-fucking-scuse me?! "Release the package"? I pointed out that I'm in the middle of the city, not in some quiet suburb, and that leaving a package on my front step is insane. She said that they usually do that, but the driver might have tried to tuck the package out of plain sight, behind something.

This is a row house. In front of my house, from the front wall to the curb of Lombard Street (not a lightly-travelled side street; Lombard Street) there is nothing but sidewalk. No lawn, no shrubbery, no planter, just sidewalk. There are steps leading down from my door, but they don't hide anything -- there's no behind or under, and beside is plainly visible to anyone who sets foot on this block. TELL ME the driver didn't just set the package on my front step and drive off without even ringing the doorbell! "What they usually do" or not, you cannot count that as 'delivered' in the middle of Baltimore! If they did that, it was gone before I looked out the front door again, and I've looked a bunch of times today.

At this point I'm hoping the driver screwed up in a merely careless, not actually insane, manner. I'm hoping it got delivered to the wrong street or the other side of town and that whoever lives wherever the package went speaks English and is willing to give the package back to the driver. But I won't even begin to get the next clue until Tuesday afternoon. On top of the rest of the frustration and worry, there's the wait. Dammit.

This isn't an amazingly expensive item, but it costs more than I can afford (it's a gift, the faster computer I mentioned in a previous entry, not something I could have bought for myself currently), so it counts as expensive from my perspective. I'd been looking forward to setting it up. I'd been looking forward to having that power available to ease the extra dose of computer-frustration I've been having this week hardware-wise. Now I get to spend the next couple of days wondering whether to be annoyed (mis-delivered and merely delayed) or angry (left on the street and stolen). And whether FedEx will take responsibility.

This is fucked up.

I'm disappointed and frustrated. And perplexed.

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posted by [identity profile] amberfox.livejournal.com at 03:46pm on 2004-02-28
Oh, that's even better than when UPS brought my crib. At least they tucked it in the front niche and dropped the mat on top of it. Not that I wasn't pissed anyway: Come on, at least knock before you run off! But that's just stupid.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:10pm on 2004-02-28
IIRC that was as a rainstorm was rolling in, right?

If the driver had rung before running off, I would've been downstairs pretty quickly; probably faster than anyone would've thought to try for the box. But hey, I have access to the web, and the person who bought me the computer mailed me the tracking number when the vendor mailed it to him. What if I hadn't known it was coming today and I hadn't been home? Then even knocking wouldn't help. Only waiting for me to answer the door is reasonable, at least in the city.

Lombard St. has plenty of pedestrian traffic, not just cars.

Here's hoping it miraculously shows up on Tuesday. Argh.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:11pm on 2004-02-28
Oh, FWIW, UPS has always rung my doorbell and asked me to sign for packages here. (Not so in the 'burbs, but definitely in Baltimore.)
 
posted by [identity profile] amberfox.livejournal.com at 04:19pm on 2004-02-28
Yeah, it was. I was pretty pissy about it. Since I happen to be here at least 90% of the time, it's not like I don't know whether or not they knock. (We don't have a doorbell, thankfully; it would drive me crazy.) I heard the thump, probably from the mat being dropped, maybe from the box. I certainly would have heard someone knocking. If their delivery drivers don't have time to knock and wait 30 seconds, the delivery companies really need to rethink the scheduling.

*crosses her fingers* I hope so. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to take responsibility for its loss if it doesn't.
 
posted by [identity profile] syntonic-comma.livejournal.com at 04:29pm on 2004-02-28
That Major Sucks! I've been to your neighborhood, and I'd expect any package out on the steps of a row house to be gone fast. Dropping a package off and leaving is completely unacceptable.

Signed for by "XXX"? Is that a non-signature, or did some passer-by just say he was you -- sign and abscond? UPS should ask to see ID if the driver didn't see the signer come out of the delivery address.

At our house (in the semi-burbs) delivery trucks do leave things on the front porch without a signature. I'm not comfortable with that, but so far it's been OK here. (And it does sometimes mean we get the items sooner.) We're on a busy corner, but there's not much foot traffic (and people wouldn't bother to get out of a car), and small packages aren't visible on the porch because of the elevation.
 
posted by [identity profile] puzzledance.livejournal.com at 04:44pm on 2004-02-28
I've had FedEx deliver a letter to my neighbor's house (leaving it tucked into the screen door in the back). Another time, I was anxiously awaiting a package, and the tracking information showed that the package was on the truck. I'd been tracking it all day, when I suddenly saw a notation that they had attempted delivery and that they claimed they couldn't deliver the package because nobody was home. Except that, like you, I was home, had been home all day, and nobody ever knocked on the door. Besides, I have a signature on file saying that it is ok for them to leave stuff at the front door. When I called to complain, they refused to redeliver the package the same day, because it wasn't scheduled to arrive until the next day, anyway.

I was expecting a package via UPS last Thursday (a week ago) as a gift for a friend (ordered by another friend) on Saturday. As of Saturday morning, the tracking number still showed that the billing information had been received, but no other pickup or transit information. Several nasty, angry email messages later (sent to the merchant by the friend who ordered the gift), the merchant finally agreed to overnight a replacement on Monday for delivery Tuesday. Guess what? The original package arrived Monday, and the replacement arrived Tuesday. No idea what happened, there. In fact, in this particular case, I'm not sure whether the merchant or UPS was at fault.

And that reminds me of another UPS fiasco. I was expecting a package one time, and had missed delivery several times. The package couldn't be dropped off without a signature. I decided to have them hold the package at the UPS facility for pickup, even though UPS has very limited pickup hours, and I had to go on a Saturday to retrieve the package. I went to get it, and they couldn't find it. So they asked me what the box looked like! Um, yeah, of course I can describe the box that I've never seen. They tried to tell me that they didn't have it, but I refused to leave until they found it -- which they did, after 20 minutes of hunting around in the back. Arrrgh.

So yeah, shipping companies do weird stuff, sometimes. It's so frustrating. I hope your package gets found.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 04:54pm on 2004-02-28
WoW that really sucks! Good for you for kicking ass asap. Keep callin them, they've gotta owe you something for their neglagence! Good luck.
 
posted by [identity profile] coginthenose.livejournal.com at 05:46pm on 2004-02-28
I have had good luck with fedex but last week (or was it the week before) I wanted to send a package ground and dealt with fedex ground for the first time and was TOTALLY unimpressed.
So normally I would say they will make it right but I dont not fedex ground.

But on the other hand be glad it was not dhl (atleast here) it took 8 business days to deliver a overnight package

good luck
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 07:34pm on 2004-02-28
Isn't the whole point of them having someone sign for it, that then they have a proof they did the right thing? Ergo, if they don't have your signature on a receipt, they didn't do the right thing, and you have them dead-to-rights.
 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 11:40pm on 2004-02-28
Actually he doesn't have them "dead to rights".

FedEx Home Delivery I believe specifies terms of usage that state they have the option to "release the package in a safe area" unless you check a different box (FAIK this option may cost the shipper more).

And it wouldnt be Glenn who has any rights to make trouble for them, it's the shipper as it is his package until Glenn gets it. Ever try to convince FedEx (or any express company) that they had the wrong delivery address for you? Good Luck!

FedEx is one of the lamest on home deliveries. I've had them succeed at my house on a first attempt ONCE out of SIX tries.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:44am on 2004-02-29
Well no reasonable person would consider the sidewalk on Lombard St. a "safe area", but if it comes to that it'll matter how much it's worth to the shipper in time and effort and lawyer's fees compared to the cost of the computer, if FedEx wants to be unreasonable. I so hope it turns out to have been some different problem instead.
 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 11:54pm on 2004-02-28
Glenn,

I used to work for a same day delivery company that is now owned by Airborne. I know of what I speak here. The Tuesday-Saturday crap is unacceptable.

Let me explain the game they are running:

They can get away with anything they want as long as they weren't negligent, and if the form the shipper signed said they could leave the package without a signature, they're entitled to do that if it was reasonable to do so.

1) Contact the shipper, and ask him if he specified a signature and not a release/slide-option type of delivery. Release is almost assuredly the default option so take PICTURES of ANY area this could have conceivably been left at to A) Demonstrate it wasn't and B) Demonstrate there is no such thing as a "reasonably safe area to have left the package". I'm sure your photos will be DAMNING.

2) Unless you (actually the shipper, see #3) can show negligence, the only amount you can get is for the insured value of the shipment, and if you didn't pay for extra insurance, that's practically nothing. This was a computer too, wasn't it?

3) FedEx has no obligation to do jack for you because you werent the customer. You need to have the SHIPPER call FedEx, and conference you in (not the other way around because they will use the caller-id didn't match the shipper's # excuse).

4) The big one. Have the shipper tell FedEx that he will call the police and report the shipment stolen and then follow thru on it. Time matters ALOT in trying to recover the shipment, and they can stall you all they want since they don't actually owe you *anything*. However, Once it's reported stolen by the shipper, their not actively helping fix the problem goes a long way to showing negligence.

Good Luck.
 
posted by [identity profile] donnad.livejournal.com at 05:17am on 2004-02-29
What he said... Contact the shipper and let them know. If they are using FedEx and FedEx is screwing up, they'll look bad so they'll get on FedEx about it. Also look into whether there was insurance on the item, chances are the shipper has a standard policy for situations like this.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:46am on 2004-02-29
I've contacted the person who bought the thing for me; I'm not certain whether I should let him contact the vendor or go ahead and do that myself right away. We don't actually know what happened until the driver calls in on Tuesday though.
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 11:35am on 2004-02-29
That is unacceptable. You can't do anything (you're not their customer), but the shipper should pursue a claim with them. If the package is lost, then there's an insurance claim (and, as someone else suggested, possibly a police report).
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:49am on 2004-02-29
Yah, I had to be the first one to call FedEx because I was the with the clues available to notice the problem, and because if it's a "misplaced/recovered/re-deliver" situation, I'm the one they'll need to coordinate with, but before I even picked up the phone I considered that I wasn't in a position to issue demands or threaten legal action because the shipper is the customer.

If it did get left on the sidewalk and disappear, then I will attempt to file a police report, and the police will give me a hard time about not having done so in the first hour, but until Tuesday I won't actually know whether that's what happened.
 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 02:30pm on 2004-02-29
If it did get left on the sidewalk and disappear, then I will attempt to file a police report, and the police will give me a hard time about not having done so in the first hour, but until Tuesday I won't actually know whether that's what happened.

No no no no and no! You have it backwards. The tuesday thing isn't a reason to wait on calling the cops. It's a reason they *want* you to wait on calling the cops because it helps their position.

FedEx is providing a POD which in theory ends their involvement with the delivery (POD = Proof Of Delivery -- basically the time it was delivered and who/how it was delivered). From this moment on, they will stall, lie, ditch, and make excuses to avoid reopening this matter. The delay works to their favor as your options to fix this are evaporating with every minute that goes by.

The game plan is to have the shipper make the same request you did with the conversation going something like this:

Shipper: "It wasn't delivered. Find out where it is, please."

FedEx: "Our records say it was, but we can contact the driver on Tuesday to find out what exactly he did"

Shipper: "You say it was delivered, and I haven't received it. If you are correct, then this package was stolen from the recipient's doorstep and I need to contact the police right now and cannot wait until Tuesday. The driver can answer either my questions or the cop's questions. It's your choice. Are you certain you cannot get ahold of the driver right now?"

 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 02:43pm on 2004-02-29
One more thing:

The operative point here is that FedEx is claiming successful delivery by providing you that POD on their web site. The fact they are "looking into it" for you doesn't change this claim. They insist it was delivered and this is really all that matters.

So it's not question of you "not knowing what really happened until Tuesday" -- because you already do. FedEx claims they delivered it to you. Unless they change their tune on this position, which they won' (getting info from the driver on tuesday is something "they do to be nice" -- it aint an admission of ANYTHING), then you simply must bring in the cops in order to preserve your rights.

On an unrelated note-

Never EVER sign for a FedEx unless your package arrives in good condition. Youre releasing them from liability when you do so. (UPS is okay last I checked)
 
posted by [identity profile] bill-in-germany.livejournal.com at 08:04pm on 2004-02-29
Is this Fed-Ex ground shipping? (formerly RPS) They are THE WORST shipping company I have ever used. My laptop circled Raleigh for several days while they fired drivers for being too lazy to deliver during hot weather. Also, Compaq had sent it for home delivery even though it was a business address. Fed-Ex claimed they would only try to deliver in the evening, after closing time!
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:30pm on 2004-02-29
Uh oh. I didn't realize that FedEx ground was a different operation, or that they'd bought RPS. Let's see, something like fifteen hours to get from TN to MD according to the tracking site, about five days overall ... yeah, that doesn't sound like it went on a plane. I did think something felt a little odd about parts of the interaction, but it had been so long since I'd last dealt with FedEx (other than handing them an envelope and some money at one of their storefronts) that I just chalked it up to poor memory.

My long-ago impression of RPS was that they were fine to deal with if you were shipping something the size of a refrigerator, but not for anything smaller.
 
posted by [identity profile] angelovernh.livejournal.com at 05:58pm on 2004-03-01
that sucks SOOOO MUCH!!! I hope it's not gone forever!

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